Gaia:-
So welcome to another fantastic episode of Tickle.Life podcast. And I'm super, super excited to talk to chicken and Dragon came across my feed that I was gonna get to have this opportunity to hang out with you guys. I was like, Ah, I'm gonna love these two. Yeah, so we're gonna, I want to start with, do you sleep in the nude onto the pajamas?
Chicken:-
I do, but only sometimes it's very strange. I don't know if it has something to do with the temperature? Or if it's something to do with me wanting to?
Dragon:-
I've got something to say about that. Um, so, I mean, I don't know how I would answer it and say, well, it really depends on how tired I am and how much prep I have before I get into bed. But I will say in the realm of our wonderful monogamous relationship, chicken will sometimes all of a sudden say, Oh, I'm so hot, and I have to take this off. And that's usually a sign that,
Chicken:
you know, things might have the time. Yeah, it's a it's interesting, but I think that subconsciously, there is a little bit of a tactic thing. Yeah. But I also because when I was single.
Dragon:
I don't show basically what I just said was right. He was crying.
Chicken:
I'm gonna give him
Gaia:
So basically what I'm hearing you say is that when you're horny, you sleep naked?
Chicken:
Yeah, but I don't know that I'm warning.
Gaia:
Okay. You're open? Yeah, you're open to the possibility.
Chicken:
I'm open to the possibility because when I was single, and
It's kind of like she's putting up a neon sign saying we're open.
We're open for business. Yes. Chicken Coop is open. Yeah. So it's really interesting, because when I'm single and living by myself, I never used to sleep in the nude. In fact, it annoyed me. So when I met him, I don't know if it has anything to do with a deeper emotion, maybe feeling safe enough with him. It's very, I don't want to go all that deep and talk to you guys. But I think that there are more things that contribute to it.
Gaia:
I think that's beautiful, though, to that, that piece around feeling safe. You know, like when we're sleeping. We don't tend to be where we're most vulnerable, right? And so you know, what armor we can wear to protect ourselves versus being completely by naked. I love it.
Chicken:
Just the thought of Sleeping Naked in what we call the Dragon's Slayer requires a bit of safety.
Gaia:
And okay, so Dragon, you said it depends on your prep. So what does that mean?
Chicken:
I would say I'm a t shirt and underwear guy and socks.
Dragon:
I always wear socks. You know, you have to know something about me though. I get up every morning at 4:30am. And I go through this whole personal growth realm. I go live and I have this following and stuff. So when I go to bed, I also have the morning in mind. Like I don't just go to bed and say, let's see what happens. So I'm prepared. The sneakers are by the bed and everything like that. But yeah, I like to keep my feet warm.
Chicken:
Yeah.
Dragon:
But at the same time, maybe there's a little bit of vulnerability in not having my feet exposed at all.
Chicken:
We're getting married soon, so hopefully he's not getting cold feet
but yeah, you know, I'm a comfortable person. But you know, I've been known to wear sweats to bed.
Yeah
Dragon:
When I'm feeling completely crazy. That's true. Yeah, so not very exciting in the realm of Dragon. I'm nothing particularly sexy in my sleep attire, but I like to change.
Chicken:
I love it. I love it. And this is the first person that I don't mind.
I will tell you that it's a chicken that looked at me right now and asked me to wear a banana hammock or something like that or sleep in the nude. It would happen immediately.
Gaia:
so tough to tell me about your relationship. This is how did you guys meet? Tell me about the adventure of Dragon and chicken. Well,
Unknown Speaker:
well, the first thing you should know is that just quickly, I had seven year stretch of just unsuccessful relationships. You know, just probably due to just I wasn't ready for it or anything but I was pretty much I live a pretty I live an interesting life where a lot of people know me. So I chose a route of going to date people that didn't know me. So I chose the online apps and stuff like that. Um, and when I finally came to her quintessential story, I was just about ready to give up and get off the app and all that whole thing. And I came across a picture this beautiful blonde with a short hair. Just one picture wasn't sexy, it was more sophisticated. So I was attracted to her. She wasn't really necessarily my type, but she caught my eye. But when I looked at her profile she I, when I say that is I never met anybody like her before.
Chicken:
Oh, you know, maybe you just didn't know what it's right.
Dragon:
I didn't know what my type was. But but her profile, because, you know, if you like something you swipe right, her profile said South African sex coach. So I'm like, I'm gonna check that out.
Chicken
Yeah, it was interesting, because, you know, usually on a dating app, you have several pictures. So people would have like, between five and 10 photos.
Dragon:
With a tiger,
Chicken:
I tend to at one point have like the tiger thing. Um, but yeah, it was interesting. I just chose that one photo. And it was a little photoshopped. I'm not gonna lie, like they would have an industry of full filters.
looks better in person than the picture. But she made me work for it. Because she didn't say yes to my swipe right? She actually didn't answer at all, which then I had to go by the extended version of it. So I actually made an effort to get like an extension on how long she had to answer the men she answered. And yeah, so
for those of you who don't know how Bumble works, it's usually the woman who has to these also very, like heterosexual kind of dating apps. And I'm hoping that it'll expand, I think Bumble is starting to do that. But what happens is, the female has to first reach out to the male, and she has 24 hours to do so. And if she doesn't, then it disappears.
Dragon:
I'm not gonna lie, I kind of like that.
Chicken:
I kind of like, I like it, because it's kind of a fate kind of comes into play. Because if it was interesting, I've worked out with us, I think there was like an hour left of me sending a message or something. And then I got this notification saying, you know, this guy had extended on you. And the first thought that went through my mind was like, he must be desperate, because if I didn't, he was obviously not who I was looking for. And so when I checked his profile, I was like, wait a minute, I missed this one. And it's a doctor, and he was handsome. And I was like, Well, I'm also not necessarily my type. Because I didn't know what my type was. And so I immediately sent him a message. I said, Listen, I'm so sorry. I was very, very busy this week. And he said, How about we get on a call, and we had our first call.
And I thought that was just teasing denial. You know, right there. And I'm still actually not really sold on her version of the story. But um, we got on a phone call, and, you know, whatever buddy hoax happens in life happened to us. And we just immediately fell in love to the point where I would say, I think she moved in with me two weeks later, yeah, that was two years ago.
But you will stop there after two weeks, and I just, I never let my cat know, I got on the train. And
I took her to different states took her back to the train station one day. And I remember saying to myself, as she got out of the car back to the train, and I said, Why the fuck are you letting her leave? And that was the last time ever dropped off at the train station. She's been with me since?
Yeah, it's been cool because I moved to a different state. So I lived in New York at the time he lived in Connecticut. And I just remember my parents going so you're giving up your apartment?
Dragon:
Yeah. Everybody thought that
Chicken:
People was saying you're gonna get like, Just trust me. I've had years of experience, you don't know what you're doing? And something just say to me, fuck him. Just do it. Just pack up your stuff. So you're like, get rid of the apartment and move to Connecticut? And I did and never look back.
Gaia:
Okay, so I can I'm gonna ask some probing questions. So What? What? inside you? The feelings, the thoughts, the experience of like, okay, so that's the magic. It's all worked out. That's fantastic. But what were some of those thoughts around fear around judgments like your parents, if you're talking your parents or like yourself, like, what is happening here? Like, what, let's let's go into those before it worked out perfectly. As you were starting that process, the intensity of that dating experience? Tell me, what were some of the thoughts? What were some of the fears? What were some of the?
Chicken:
I think it's really a good question that you're asking, though, because you kind of get stuck in the middle of this feeling when you go, this is definitely the one but at the same time, my parents have such a major influence on my life. I certainly know that. Especially my mother. She's always been the most dominant voice for me. So whatever my mom says goes, if my mom doesn't agree with something, I will change everything up to make sure that she's happy. And so that was an interesting experience. Because funnily enough, my mom actually met him I would say like two weeks into a stadium.
Its really complicated story because I actually left for France, we travel all over the world. I live in France for the year. And when I left for France, she had to go, she had something happened, she to the hospital, and her whole family and friends moved into my place while I was away, I think three weeks into our relationship. You know, it was it was a pretty boom.
So it was the first time that my mom and the little girl that we're adopting, who is my niece, my sister passed away, she was a single parent. And so I was going to become a single parent to my niece. And it was the first time that my mother and my niece came over and met him.
Dragon:
No, I wasn't even there. No, but when you came back, when I came back from France, I met her whole family, and all of her best friends. She's got this amazing group of best friends 99.5% directly drag queens. And so I just came home, and I just, it was like, I just did a cannonball into a freezing cold pool. And it further promoted the idea that I had found that the woman of my dreams, but one of my what? To answer your question from my side, I had nothing from my past, you know, I had nothing but concepts that say that these things don't work out. Um, so part of my like, you know, what are we doing here? moving so fast is everything in my life told me that this, this is crazy, and it doesn't work out because of my past experience. But I would say that when I met chicken, I'm just like, before, it's like I was holding on to this kite on a windy day. And I decided to just fucking cut the string and let it go and recognize that I don't want to look at the future through the lens of the past anymore. So I took it, I took a chance. But it just felt right.
Chicken:
Yeah, it felt right. And I don't want to go too long into this. But about a year before I met him, I was so tired of the dating scene in New York City. I was actually like, becoming depressed about it. And so I came across this website, like Daily Ohm something. Oh, Nick on. And they had all these courses on on this website. And there was one course there was about I think it's 30 days
Gaia:
or so on being like the orgasmic meditation. Yeah,
Chicken:
yeah. Because like all sorts of things like relationship stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it's like, these little tiny 30 day challenges, and it's like, meet your soulmate in 30 days. And at that time, I was like, This is ridiculous, okay, I'm going to do it, you know, so, got this little course. And it had all these like weird Juju things like, Okay, you're going to move your big three inches to the right in your bedroom. And then you're only going to sleep on the one side of the bed, and you're gonna take a bath, and like lavender and peppermint every night, it was like weird, kind of voodooism, cool stuff like that. And I kind of, I was excited about it, but I didn't really believe all that much that it was going to happen. But interestingly enough, I like in the mornings, I would do a little meditation for five minutes, where I would envision and feel what my soulmate was going to feel like. And in these, like visualization exercises, I never saw his face. So no idea what it looks like. But I had every single idea of what his presence was gonna feel like. And the moment I went on that first date, and Dragon was, you know, stood up and was like, he waved, something came over me where I was like, What is this, like, that is the presence that I was dreaming about and thinking about. And so now, just the other day, I thought about it, I sleep on the side of the bed that I slept on, while I did the 30 Day Program thing. Side that I used to I used to be like slapdash in the middle of the bed. And I was like, Whoa, that is crazy, powerful things like how the law of attraction works. So believe it or we keep manifesting
Gaia:
Dragon, what did you do to prepare yourself to bring her in? Basically,
Dragon:
I did not take a bath with rose petals. I, you know, I think I was just in a place in my life where I was just dissatisfied. And it pushed me into a place where I was open to no longer dating and being open to receiving. I had to be I had to create space for her. But just like she said, I had no idea who she was. I recognized when I met her that everything I had done prior was a waste of time, although I appreciated it because it got me to the place. But yeah, I mean, you know, any relationship that I ever had would either fulfill you physically but not mentally, mentally, but not physically. So I had completely given up on the idea of finding the whole kitten caboodle. But also, another cool thing and I know that that's relevant for your show is, you know, when I first thought of going out on a date with a sex coach, I thought she was gonna show up with like cheetah leather pants and whip or something. So so it was scary, but at the same time intriguing and exciting. And it was very interesting to find out that this amazing person that I went on a date with, which by the way, we were sitting across the table, and I was so attracted to her that like 20 minutes into it, I asked, Can I come sit next to you. So from that day, chicken, and I never eat in a restaurant without sitting next to each other. So we like to be close to each other. Yeah, very, very good physical chemistry. But I was I was very nervous to find like, I just figured I would be like in some sort of like tight lycra body suit by the end of the night getting whipped or something. But what I found out is that she knows more about finishing kink than anyone in the world. However, she's extremely sensitive and a little bit shy in that, which I found extremely sexy.
Chicken:
I was wearing an outfit like Downton Abbey. I mean, it was all the way up here like a little flower dress. I don't think anyone would ever suspect that I work as a sex coach.
Dragon:
Yeah, it's which which, which made me very, very, like, what is gonna happen the first time that we like, fool around or something like that. And I will tell you that I was super attracted to her. And you know, any any other time, I would probably have like, made an advance to get lucky or something like that. But I did not want to fuck this up. You know? So I was I was very much letting her call the shots. And I pretty sure on the first date, I remember we pulled we had a wonderful day.
Chicken:
And so fun
Dragon:
Silly, silly date. We don't have enough time to talk about that. But when I dropped her off, you know, we had a kiss. And you know, this beautiful, beautiful moment. But she looked at me and she said, By the way, you're not getting any of this. So I'm so she was very much into the whole teaser denial thing. And I came later to understand that that's kind of
Chicken:
Yeah, I like the idea of having that, that control. I also know what I did in the past with people didn't work. I didn't find the quality people that I wanted. And I mean, as conservative as it sounds a big part of why I knew he was the right person is because he respected me.
Dragon:
I waited 10 years to have that's what he says now. No, no, I really
Chicken:
know he's on the show. I actually do know that he's telling the truth. But it's interesting, because I don't necessarily think that it was about the oh, I don't feel comfortable having steaks on the first date or I'm wanting to play hard to get it was more about seeing if you would respect my choices, and not push my boundaries. That was more what it was about. And when I realized that he was doing that off to date number one, date number two, date number three, I was like, Okay, this this guy cannot have a veto. And then I realized, no, it's just very respectful of me. Yeah, it was a bit of torture. It was.
But at the same time, I seriously, I was totally fine with that I found something special.
Gaia:
Okay, so what else do you want to share? On your little adventure? Oh, do you want to talk a little bit about you know, the difference between your persona and your own personal life? A little bit of?
Chicken:
Yeah, sure. Um, so chicken and Dragon, there's obviously chicken. There's Dragon. But then there's also my persona as a sexuality educator and coach, where I work with pretty extreme fetishes. So I have a lot of fetishin g clients. And it's interesting for me, I mean, my fetish clients don't know that I'm vanilla. Because a lot of fetish clients feel like they they judged by the vanilla world. And I wouldn't say that I'm quite
Dragon:
I'm I wouldn't say she's been vanilla, I would say she's got multiple personas. Yeah, that is multiple persona, personnel multiple, but she, she can flip inside and out of them. So I think that and I like that. I like the fact that you know, you never know exactly what you're going to get. But overall, I would say she's in general when it comes to her quite shy.
Chicken:
Yeah, when it comes to me, it's it's but when I work with my fetish clients, I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I have a lot of fetish knowledge, like a lot. And, and some of the me I've started working with religious communities as well. I'm particularly Jewish Orthodox, which is interesting because That's kind of on the other spectrum. And as a sexuality educator and coach, you have to be able to have different personas for different groups of people. So I can't just put on Oh, I'm a Finnish coach. Okay, great. You're very religious, too, let's you know. So you have to kind of gauge what mosque you're supposed to wear with different people. And it's kind of just been a natural thing. I think if you know yourself really well, the way dragon and I, we know ourselves kind of just happens naturally, because we love to work with people, we have a very, very good feeling of what a person is, like, what they're going to be comfortable with. And I think that that is what makes him so successful as a motivational speaker, and personal growth Guru, I would call him, and then me as a coach, is the fact that we people feel comfortable with us, because there's nothing ever forced on him.
Gaia:
But bad for Tommy, the personal side, you just told me all that professional,
Dragon:
little, little personal side. And I don't know how consistent that is. But I would assume in most relationships, you'll have like, you know, you'll have a submissive one and the dominant one. What's interested, interesting about this relationship, and all the women out there, heterosexual or you know, or other are going to love the idea of having a partner like this, but I actually get off on taking care of her. You know what I mean? Like, it's not a burden for me. So coming, you know, from waking her up in the morning and bringing her coffee. I am definitely in love with her feet. So I give her a foot rub almost every night, almost every night. Actually, she got one this morning as well. Pretty nice. But our roles, you know, as far as our intimacy, intimacy is the word in our relationship. Yeah, um, we do have, we do explore, we do have some fun, but I would say that, for the most part, I play a submissive role. I like to serve her. It brings me joy. I like to make her happy. And I know what makes her happy. But I would say in the realm of us being intimate, it kind of goes back and forth. You know,
Chicken:
I think it's mostly him being the dominant one.
Dragon:
Well, when it comes to sexuality, Oh, yeah. But not in life. Right?
Chicken:
Not in life? No. No. So so there is that power exchange,
Dragon:
the power exchange between?
Gaia:
Well, which exists in all relationships, every relationship, no matter whether you're an intimate relationship, or a dialogue and relationship, each moment, there's a power exchange happening, leading someone's following
Dragon:
that I'd probably there's, there really isn't anything I wouldn't try or wouldn't do for chicken, if she came home one day and said, Hey, I have this crazy idea. I want to kidnap Phil Collins and lock him up in our basement in a leather outfit. I'd be like, Hey, let's do it in fucking nuts and balloons around them and stuff. On it, you know what I mean? But I would say I don't come up with that creativity. Um, she knows a lot about it. So because of all of her knowledge, and because she knows she's got a guy that is, is really just there to make her happy. Which brings me joy. She also knows that anytime she wants to explore she has that.
Chicken:
Yeah, we were just speaking about it this morning. Because we are at a point in our relationship with we're so strong, that if he has to come to me and say, Listen, I'm in love with my guitar, like, yeah, when I want a shot with this inanimate object, I would say, You know what, my love, I love you so much. Let's do it. Let's explore, let's sit down with a guitar. Let's talk to it. And if I'm just looking at it,
Gaia:
let's get some consent. Excellent.
Chicken:
But really, it gets the point where I'll say, let's explore whatever we want to explore, because it's such a safe relationship, that the next day, he wouldn't feel bad, like, I would never have less respect for him for bringing up something that he wanted to explore.
Dragon:
You know, we had a really funny conversation about, you know, these like super realistic sex dolls out there, you know, so we just got a kick out of it because they're so weird looking. They're so real, but at the same time not. So we were just playing around with the idea like, what what would it be like if we got a sex doll, you know, whether it's a man or a woman? And and at first we were like, it's kind of fucked up. You know, I don't know if you'd be jealous and stuff. But then when we realize if we actually did get one, we probably would quickly not be interested in anymore just make fun of it on a couch,
Chicken:
but it's so funny because then the sex coach in the way but you can't make fun of it. Because that's wrong because would you make fun of a person because this is supposed to be a person in your life. So these are all like Marvel thing
Dragon:
we love we love to laugh.
Chicken:
It's been an interesting experience because the fetish people that I've worked with, I feel sorry for the guy because they can't be themselves with what they partners. And that's why they come to me for help. And so I just, every single time I'm done,
Dragon:
as well, somebody might have have a kink that they can't express.
Chicken:
Exactly, exactly. And so it's interesting, because every single time I'm done with one of my clients, I just got I'm so fortunate that I'm in a relationship, we we've always had open communication. Yeah. I get this when you ask these kinds
Gaia:
I know. So my question I'm going there again, is, why do you feel shy about it? Because when you articulate it, you articulate from such a beautiful place? So my curiosity is that why are you why are you feeling shy about the thing that is just naturally seems to be who you are.
Chicken:
Yeah, it's very strange, because I was very much a late bloomer. And my first sex toy comes to mind now, when I was 26, which is interesting. Most people like, Wow, that's so late. Um, there's always been a little bit of sexual. What would I call it?
Dragon:
It's almost like a self esteem issue. I don't know if it's in the realm of sex.
Chicken:
Just kidding. I don't know if it's a self esteem issue. And it's weird how I can't even find the words right now.
Dragon:
Well, maybe, maybe she, maybe she found a great avenue to explore sex, the frontier of sexuality through others.
Chicken:
You just said, this was, you know how, because I'm studying counseling as well, and going to do my PhD in psychology. And I think a big part of my journey in my studies right now is using myself as a case study.
Gaia:
Mm hmm.
Chicken:
I think, you know, what makes me I'm somebody who enjoys working in sexuality is the fact that the more I learn about other people, the more I learn about myself. So
Dragon:
Well, I mean, I would, I would assume that other than, you know, this being something for tickle. If we were to redirect a question to you, what do you get out of these interviews?
Gaia:
Oh, you're turning the tables Nice. So I'm a Holistic sexual wellness specialist. BDSM, wellness specialists work in trauma. So for me, this is like, and I have my own podcast, and I do all these other things in the world, right? And so for me, it's this beautiful gift around being able to ask the questions that as sex experts, and as perfect, like in the areas of expertise, we're always holding space for everybody else. And so what I love about hosting this show, is that I get to give that gift to other experts of just holding space, so that they get to explore to share to that they don't have to hold the space. They don't have to hold the containment, they just get to show up. Yeah, because
Dragon:
well, let me let me let me just do one little layer deeper.
Gaia:
Go find it dragon.
Dragon:
I know, I know that. Um, what is it that you really want to know about us? Oh, yeah.
Chicken:
You with it?
Dragon:
Like, what if you if you're gonna get off this because this is what your listeners want to hear to this, and I want you to be fulfilled that I found out what I needed to know what is it?
Gaia:
So what sexually drives you, Dragon
Dragon:
drives me?
Gaia:
Yeah, drives you. So not what drives chicken but drives, you
Dragon:
no, I will tell you that. Um, first of all, from a sexual chemistry standpoint, I mean, if this woman just walks past me in a room, I get turned on. So I'm very, very sexually attracted to chicken. Um, but I would say that my drive is based on pleasing her. You know, and it's just who I am. I, you know, whatever we have, we have a wonderful intimate relationship. But my, the success of those moments is always judged engaged on how I pleased her. So I'm very much that's why I kind of looked at myself submissively in a way, but uh, that's what drives me. I just love to make this woman happy in all senses.
Gaia:
And when you get that satisfaction, it's the biggest turnoff for sure. That's your biggest turnoff. When you get to fulfill that turn on. How does that affect the rest of your life your day?
Dragon:
Makes me feel like I matter. Makes me feel like significant and there's nothing more important to me than to feel that way with the people that I care about the most like, family kids, chicken, you know? Yeah.
Gaia:
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. Thanks for asking me a question. I love it.
Dragon:
Yeah. What drives you? Yeah,
Chicken:
chicken. Oh, what drives me sexually? I'm
Gaia:
not your persona. Personally.
Chicken:
No, I understand that. i They are a lot of different things. And it's all related to him. And
Dragon:
I want you to see what's going on down here. Oh,
Chicken:
cuz I'm like nervous. And nervous you guys. Um,
Gaia:
and that's okay. You're nervous? Nah,
Dragon:
because its sexy
Chicken:
You know, what's interesting is I want to come up with a best quick, the best answer, that's always how I am. I want people to be like, Oh, that was so profound. And then I'm like, but like, the real truth is that I have never, I never knew what intimacy was until I had sex with him. Never. Not even with masturbation.
Dragon:
Everyone knows we've had sex now. Oh, great. My dad is gonna call now.
Chicken:
Yeah, but that's the thing. But anyway, so what drives me? Is it a little bit of control? Because I like knowing that I have sexual control over him. So when when I get into bed with my little skimpy shorts are naked, and it has a response, and I get the response that I was hoping for, even though it was like subconsciously hoping for. I get this like, huh, like, I'm in control here. And I can seduce him in like a minute or less.
Dragon:
And that's all about control.
Chicken:
Well, it's just one of the fun parts of it. But what drives me sexually is every single time we're together. And I get that like intimate feeling where it's once again, that safe place like I feel so safe. It's just that that's my thing. I love the it's like chocolate fondue. It's like warm and delicious and sweet. And it's just perfect. And I know that it sounds people are gonna be like us.
Dragon:
I just got this. I just got this visual that we were on some one of those weird shows on like HBO, where hippies are out. And like, yeah, they're like rubbing up hot chocolate on each other and some sort of sex camp.
Gaia:
That happens every weekend in my role, would you talk?
Chicken:
So yeah, that's that's really it. That's what drives me is I'm driven by by the intimacy between us, and I'm driven by the idea of having that effect on him as he has on me.
Gaia:
And so when you get that satisfaction, and when you get that fulfillment, how does that affect the rest of your day?
Chicken:
Oh, it gives me a sense of purpose. Oh, for sure. It definitely gives it gives me like a sense of a sense of accomplishment as well. Like, I feel like I have a role. And it was fulfilled in a game.
Dragon:
The dark side of that mood is the other side is if she doesn't succeed at that, and she can have a really shitty day. So I guess that we would say that, you know, sex plays a role in
Chicken:
sex plays a huge role in my mood. Yeah, it does. Like I'm, I'm a very sexual person know that I found this person.
Gaia:
beautiful.
Dragon:
She says
Gaia:
it's chicken's fault. All right. So thank you guys. So let's close this part up. And now I want to help first of all, talk about what each one of us do in the world, and how people can spend and engage and hang out with you. We're all the different ways.
Chicken:
So I am a sex coach, and I like to think sexuality educator, I work predominantly with the fetish kink communities. I'm mostly with men. I'm BDSM related, the majority of my clients are submissive. So where you can find me is I have something called Mind sex. And the website is currently under construction. On Facebook, and my clients Interesting enough, because I'm quite well known in the Fetish community, they find me by word of mouth. I do find that the fetish and kink communities are very supportive of one another. So it's kind of a close knit community and I know that it's kind of like If you have one client, they'll sort of find out about you. And then you'll find your next client. So I've been fortunate and not having to market myself all that much. So pretty well known and that I'm a little bit secretive. I know that it sounds terrible to say because of there's a big stigma around fetish. And I know certainly that I am also around people who are super, super conservative and vanilla. They don't always understand it. On our podcast, we have interviewed, you know, most disabled Kane, who's a BDSM educator. And it's so funny, because that was one of our highest rated episodes. Yet, people never responded on the post that I put on Facebook, I was like, please listen to this, not one, like, and then all of the readings. So um, so yeah, it's predominantly underground. But you can find me also with rise up with chicken and dragons. So I am chicken. And our podcast is chickenanddragons.com. That's the website. So you'll find links there. And that's really it. And then obviously, I'm on Facebook as well. So when you follow our page, rise up of chicken and Dragon, you will, you'll find my face thing, you'll know who I am.
Dragon:
And I am a retired doctor, about five years ago became a Health Transformation success coach, I have a little bit of a background story where I was very successful in my practice, but my life fell apart. I have the health transformation story, I lost about 80 pounds about 14 years ago. And I moved into the realm of helping people move from point A to point B, I've helped at least 150,000 people lose weight get healthy. So predominantly, that's that's what I do. You can find me obviously through chicken and Dragon calm. I also do every day on Facebook. I know that sounds crazy. But at 6:50am Eastern, I go live on Facebook, and it's called rise up with Dragon. And it's more of a get your mind right set yourself up for a successful day. And like I said, you know, my thing, everybody's got their thing. I'm the guy that you can put on stage in front of 50,000 people live and I can take a fucking nap up there. And so that's that's what that's what I do. But at the same time, everything that I do in life is for the things that matter most and that is family that is chicken that is adventure and experience. So everything I do workwise I find passion in it, but I do it to facilitate the life that we have decided matters most.
Chicken:
And I just have to shave this but I'm wearing a hat
Dragon:
new hat that we're coming up this is actually a dragon and it says in the back Dragon Spirit and it says up here the journey awakens the soul so we actually make it we're going to be making custom hats because I can tell him I like to dress
Chicken:
I just saw his on today I couldn't find an outfit so I just quickly because he always looks so cool. So I was like I guess I have to match that.
Dragon:
Podcast, rise up with chicken and Dragon. Find a suit chickenanddragon.com and anything we said made any sense to you. You want to have a conversation with us. We'd love
Gaia:
beautiful thanks, guys for coming on. Oh, it was so much fun. Yeah,
Chicken:
it was awesome. Thank you so much. We really
Gaia:
You're welcome. Hold on, you're gonna so everybody, make sure you follow Tickle.Life. You can find me at secular living.com You can follow me under guy Morisset for all your BDSM eg find me under empressgaia.com And I can't wait to have another conversation with you soon. Bye
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Link of the Podcast -: https://www.tickle.life/podcast/tickle-life-podcast/chicken-and-dragon/
