"I don't understand what is happening. My doctor performed a swab test, which was positive, but every time my blood work comes back, it's either negative or inconclusive. This must be a new infection, and I know who did this!" - Jessica.
"My doctor said my last STD screen was clean, but now I have herpes? Great, now I have to make some phone calls. How long did I have it?" - David.
"My doctor said I was all good, but when I looked at my results on paper, it says HSV positive 4.25? I was positive the whole time? This was from 4 years ago...why didn't my doctor tell me? - Robert.
I see this frustration within the herpes support groups quite often. Some days you will see posts like this up to three times a day and for so many, it is very aggravating and downright depressing. So, what is the quick answer to the question? Well, according to the experts, it's a No, you cannot tell how long you have had it,
However, with that being said, there are a few reasons as to why the experts are saying this and you're probably not going to like the answers.
When it comes to testing for herpes a blood test is a common way of doing so. This type of test is for identifying herpes antibodies that are present in the blood. It's important to note that the herpes simplex virus does not live in the blood; but, you can test the blood for antibodies. As a general rule, after a person has been exposed to the virus it can take a few weeks and up to three months for one's body to make enough antibodies. Important note, these tests are looking for very high numbers of G and M antibodies, and these blood tests are notorious for showing false positives and false negatives. {1}
This is one of the few reasons why doctors will omit blood work and prefer to visually verify herpes, or physically swab a herpes lesion (within the first 48 hours of its formation). Albeit painful, this swab test (Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) will verify the presence of herpes DNA, and is the most accurate type of diagnostic test. Still confused? Below is a description of the many different tests that are available.
Common Test Types- Credit to projectaccept.org
IgM tests are not recommended because of three serious problems:
Credit: http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/herpes/herpes-testing/
It should be pretty obvious at this point that tryng to determine when you acquired herpes can be difficult. More info here: How Do I Prove I Got Herpes From My Last Partner?
Many physicians do this frequently. If a patient comes in for an STD test, some will omit herpes entirely from the panel. But, if they do include it and the patient is not complaining of symptoms, a positive result may be followed by the physician doing nothing or stating "you're fine" or "you've been exposed, but you don't have it." This is of course a lie. If you've been exposed—you have it. There are many reasons why this takes place, and we may not like it, but...Here are a few.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying all of these are great reasons to omit herpes from the 10 panel test. In fact, if you do test with a number greater than 3.0, it's an indication of being truly positive; according to the experts. So, is it possible that you had two to three negative tests (over the years) and on your most recent test, it was very high and that means it's new infection? According to the data It's possible, but It's really just a guess...
Immunoglobulin G deficiency.
After speaking with thousands of people over the past few years, the many weird and strange probabilities that we may have never contemplated can creep out of the woodwork and surprise us. It becomes evident why it is vital to change or adjust our previous views when we find new evidence to the contrary, or in the least, consider it and look deeper.
While the subject of IgG deficiency is unknown to most of us, it is generally well known to infectious diseases specialists, epidemiologists, or other virologists. Since most of us do not fall into any of these highly educated categories, it is obvious that we would be completely unaware of this subject or the plausible idea that it may be a contributing factor when speaking about a diagnosis or misdiagnosis of herpes simplex.
I have heard from many seropositive individuals that they know for a fact that they have herpes but always test negative on the blood test. Remember when we said how inaccurate these tests are and how they are looking for high levels of IgG and IgM?
Many of these individuals have been diagnosed with either a swab test or a visual conformation, yet they continue to test negative on the IgG. One of the possibilities for this taking place is these individuals may be IgG deficient.
Dr. Antoine Azar from Johns Hopkins medical center describes this as:
Source Credit: IgG Deficiencies
Many who have this deficiency can also suffer from common ailments such as sinus infections, other respiratory infections, gastrointestinal infections, ear infections, pneumonia, bronchitis, and infections that can result in a sore throat. {5}
Now, suppose you believe that this IgG deficiency is directly related to your frequent herpes outbreaks and symptoms. If this is true, it may be wise to make an appointment with your doctor or an immunologist for a proper diagnosis. I wish you luck!
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In some people, these numbers may be lower than the igg/Igm test can verify. Other than the fact that the current testing methods are notorious for showing false positives and false negatives, these tests are specifically looking for very high numbers of immunoglobulin G and M, and if the numbers are not high enough, it will not register and will be seen as negative or inconclusive.
Up to 50% of positive HerpeSelect ELISA IgG herpes test (which is the most common), can sometimes be false. In fact, results whose values were close to the threshold value, have a 90% chance of being false positives. So a test result that is very close to the threshold value (around or just above) 1.1 might be false positive. Tests 3.0 and above are considered positive.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1276011/
{2} Harms of Early Detection and Intervention
Based on evidence on potential harms from a small number of trials, the high false-positive rate of the screening tests, and the potential anxiety and disruption of personal relationships related to diagnosis, the USPSTF found that the evidence is adequate to bound the potential harms of screening in asymptomatic adolescents and adults, including those who are pregnant, as at least moderate.
The USPSTF concludes with moderate certainty that the harms outweigh the benefits for population-based screening for genital HSV infection in asymptomatic adolescents and adults, including those who are pregnant.
The USPSTF does not recommend serologic screening for genital HSV infection in asymptomatic persons.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2593575
The Laboratory Diagnosis of Herpes Simplex Virus Infections
Diagnosis of Herpes Simplex Virus by Direct Immunofluorescence and Viral Isolation From Samples
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http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/herpes/herpes-testing/
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Prevelance of herpes
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140765#sec007
Genital herpes infection is common in the United States. CDC estimates that, annually, 776,000 people in the United States get new genital herpes infections. {1} Nationwide, 11.9 % of persons aged 14 to 49 years have HSV-2 infection (12.1% when adjusted for age).{2} However, the prevalence of genital herpes infection is higher than that because an increasing number of genital herpes infections are caused by HSV-1. {3} Oral HSV-1 infection is typically acquired in childhood; because the prevalence of oral HSV-1 infection has declined in recent decades, people may have become more susceptible to contracting a genital herpes infection from HSV-1. {4}
1. Satterwhite CL, Torrone E, Meites E, et al. Sexually transmitted infections among US women and men: prevalence and incidence estimates, 2008. Sex Transm Dis, 2013. 40(30):187-93
2. McQuillan G, Kruszon-Moran D, Flagg EW, Paulose-Ram R. Prevalence of herpes simplex virus type 1 and type 2 in persons aged 14–49: United States, 2015–2016. NCHS Data Brief, no 304. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics. 2018
3. Xu F, Sternberg MR, Kottiri BJ, et al. Trends in herpes simplex virus type 1 and type 2 seroprevalence in the United States. JAMA, 2006. 296(8): 964–73.
4. Bradley H, Markowitz L, Gibson T, et al. Seroprevalence of herpes simplex virus types 1 and 2—United States, 1999–2010. J Infect Dis, 2014. 209(3):325-33.
https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/STI-Estimates-Fact-Sheet-Feb-2013.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/default.htm
Herpes simplex virus (HSV) infection is one of the most common viral sexually transmitted diseases worldwide. The first time infection of the mother may lead to severe illness in pregnancy and may be associated with virus transmission from mother to fetus/newborn. Since the incidence of this sexually transmitted infection continues to rise and because the greatest incidence of herpes simplex virus infections occur in women of reproductive age, the risk of maternal transmission of the virus to the fetus or neonate has become a major health concern. On these purposes the Authors of this review looked for the medical literature and pertinent publications to define the status of art regarding the epidemiology, the diagnosis, the therapy and the prevention of HSV in pregnant women and neonate. Special emphasis is placed upon the importance of genital herpes simplex virus infection in pregnancy and on the its prevention to avoid neonatal HSV infections.
How many people have herpes
Even though numbers can fluctuate from year to year; depending on many factors, these numbers are still pretty staggering. The prevalence of HSV type one is almost more than 80% of the worlds population. Almost everyone has herpes.
https://www.webmd.com/genital-herpes/news/20081001/half-a-billion-have-genital-herpes
Genital herpes infection is common in the United States. CDC estimates that, annually, 776,000 people in the United States get new genital herpes infections
Thats over 2000 a day in the United States alone. https://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes-detailed.htm#ref1
Satterwhite CL, Torrone E, Meites E, et al. Sexually transmitted infections among US women and men: prevalence and incidence estimates, 2008. Sex Transm Dis, 2013. 40(30):187-93
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525769/
{5}. IgG
IgG Deficiencies Johns Hopkins
Immunoglobulin G deficiency NIH
Assessment and clinical interpretation of reduced IgG values